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Thursday, May 16, 2013

[Instiz] T-ara and Kim Kwang Soo are each other's worst antis

How T-ara responds to Kwang Soo's various media plays:
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Article: T-ara to comeback on October 27th "Ready to fight, Soshi and WG?"



Article: T-ara 'Roly Poly' MV release delayed, why? "Due to a file error, emergency filming begins"

Hyomin: "Hul... I've been waiting since 5, though..."

Kwang Soo basically lied about the emergency filming since Hyomin was obviously sitting around waiting for the digital release ㅋㅋㅋㅋ


Article: T-ara "We went to the CEO and cried because we hated the retro outfits" surprise confession

Eunjung: I never hated it, though...?


During the release of their 'Roly Poly Copacabana Version'... (It was cheaply made)


All: Our MV oh my god

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Kwang Soo's various terrors against the girls:

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1. Made them perform in short sleeves and mesh outfits on one of the coldest nights in Seoul (-20 celsius)




2. Despite Jiyeon's leg injury, she was still made to perform on stage in a cast



3. The day after she injured her leg, she still had to attend the IAC schedule


4. Despite fainting during rehearsals and being rushed to the ER, Jiyeon just received a shot and was made to come back to perform We Were In Love + Cry Cry. 




 5. Soyeon still had to perform all stage long on crutches.


6. Kwang Soo media played about T-ara doing charity services which the members had no idea about so Eunjung had to come out and attend despite her injury/on crutches. 


7. Eunjung ruptured her ligament and was ordered 6 weeks of recovery but she still had to perform the shuffle dance on painkillers. She slipped into her cast immediately off stage.


8. Kwang Soo once again media played about how the girls promised to pass out autographed CDs and rice cakes on the subway if they won #1. The girls themselves didn't find out about the 'promise' until they read the article...

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Source: Instiz

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318 comments:

  1. Sad...I wish they had a better company...

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  2. This is why I believe the words that the girls say themselves, rather than quotes CCM gives from them... they seem more honest than CCM, it's a bad situation all around.

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  3. its so sad to see this girls being overworked by KKS. T-ara, have strength!

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  4. KKS really is T-ara's worst enemy and the thing is that guy can literally ruin them at the snap of his finger, I there's just no way they could go against him at all.

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  5. that bastard, he is worse than Lee Soo Man

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  6. I'm no hater but this group and company must be the worst out there ever. Why are they so unprofessional with all these complains outing it on SNS and the CEO is just plain liar to cover up shit. But I really feel bad for T-ara. They are overworked and can't blame them for complaini

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  7. this will be a controversial opinion........... but if hwayoung was allowed to skip an important stage performance because she had an injury, even though that is the human and right thing to do, I can understand why the other t-ara girls would resent her because all of them were forced to dance and smile through all their injuries.........

    yes I think the girls could've been more understanding and tolerant...... but it is hard for me for blame their way of thinking/resentment........

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  8. i feel bad for them, their ceo is the worst ever. but honestly they do know about determination, for real.

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  9. I remember this popping up before the scandal. I always felt so sorry for them.

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  10. When you pair all of this with the constant threats KKS made to kick members out, replace them, change leaders, add more members, etc, it's really not hard to see why cracks would form in the foundation of the groups and the members would become divided. While I don't agree with whatever they may or may not have done to Hwayoung, I don't think the girls themselves are monsters and I have forgiven them even though I was initially very angry last summer. CCM created a horrible environment for everyone.

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  11. poor girls. Kwangsoo doesn't know that T-ara's members are employees, not slaves? he should learn how to respect people that ensure his position. I can feel why they've been under-pressure and maybe had misconduct.
    It's not an excuse, I know, but at least these are just small things we are able to take notice of, surely (and unfortunately) there is much more.

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  12. They all have the same responses via twitter against KKS media play just like how they all retweeted Hyomin's tweet on Hwayoung. What a great teamwork!

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  13. sounds like the ceo is the problem here.
    wish I could sincerely hope for them to have a better company, but they don't have a better skill to begin with. so yeah, lol.

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  14. This is so obvious, I don't understand why koreans can't see it. I'm a fan so I will support them no matter what happens but I won't judge whoever hates them without knowing these details hehe

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  15. KKS: girls, did you see the new public opinion poll?
    KKS: looks like the public is starting to warm up to T-ara again!
    T-ara: seriously????
    KKS: no...

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  16. I agree. Imagine if you went through a leg injury but still danced and smiled on stage, only for a person that had joined later to not dance and smile through in the same situation. I can see how that would cause resentment. Not condoning what they allegedly did, just understanding what might have been the reason for what they are accused of.

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  17. If the girl values her body and doesn't want to ruin it like Eunjung's leg, good for her caring about her health and standing up for herself. They all are like slaves accepting whatever extremity they are told to do.

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  18. but see what happened with Hwayoung for refusing to perform on stage many times = was kicked out. KKS don't like to receive a no.

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  19. I doubt it's as simple as "standing up for herself". either KKS has effective ways of twisting the other girls' arm or hwayoung was given special treatment. or maybe not special treatment, because she got the axe.

    there are rumors that KKS was the one who leaked jiyeon's webcam videos because she was turning too rebellious.

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  20. So they were only pissed at that their teammate because she got excused to perform on a chair while they didn't.

    I was just feeling sorry for them, don't make me change my mind!

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  21. Standing up for herself got her a lot of public support, but in the end she became jobless, she lost her career. Even the acting agency she was in talks with ended up not signing her. KKS has a lot of connections in the industry so I wouldn't be surprised if he uses them to keep Hwayoung from getting anywhere with her career. Actually he has her twin sister under contract for at least a few more years and he probably uses her to keep Hwayoung in check as well. I'm sure the others would love to be in a better situation as well but thanks to KKS their image has already tarnished beyond repair and for now the only choice is to stay and do as they're told.

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  22. let's not forget that Eujung had to film WGM with her leg injuried + do her sageuk drama + perform their songs ... that is why Eujung always have pictures of her sleeping at any place, I never found it cute because she is overworked and sleeps anywhere because she has no time to rest at all. Poor them.

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  23. Kwang Soo is truly the biggest bully.
    Girls, run for your life after your contract ends.

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  24. The girl seems happier out of KKS control in school as compared to T-ara overworking themselves and tearing a part of their body apart.

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  25. Girls need to step up and fight again tyranny that is KKS.
    Seems like KKS just treats netizens or everybody out there as fools and produce "official statements" like poop.
    I don't know how long more T-ara has their contracts, but they better bond together and fight this - especially since the whole country now is against them and the bullying thing (especially fueled by the company's worst handling of the case)

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  26. Why wouldn't they be allowed to feel resentful though? They had to clench their teeth and toil through blood, sweat, and tears. Hwayoung was lucky enough to join them as they were already popular, and not only that but she refused to perform when she was injured despite the many years the rest of the girls had spent just sucking it up and getting over it.

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  27. I saw it, KKS said that he would kick out/replace the members if they go against him, he doesn't care about them at all. T-ara had no vacation for what 2-3 years straight? And when they had, it was ONE week and they still had job to do.

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  28. I didn't say their actions were right.


    I'm saying IF that scenario is true, then their tweets after that performance is understandable. it was a poisonous environment for everyone.

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  29. Ugh. It hurts. These girls are poor tbh.

    But.. I have a 'but' of course. Their teamwork is really great eh? ㅋㅋ Looks like they really like to teaming up on Twitter and ditching someone ㅋㅋ. How great. Clapclapclap

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  30. this plus that it was their first concert on Japan - it was important to Hwayoung be there - but she didn't perform and was seen having fun with some friends on a nail salon, how the girls couldn't get frustrated/disappointed?

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  31. Which company would even accept a t-error group lbr.

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  32. Wouldn't they be happier that their teammate got to rest?
    I best if it was Jiyeon, Eunjung would be happy that she got excused.

    and LMAO @ the "rode on their popularity express" excuse!

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  33. curious to how will korean netizens react to this post

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  34. KKS was actively pitting the girls against each other. he released a press statement a month earlier that said any of the girls could be cut at any time.


    they were all in competition with each other. no way were any of the girls happy if hwayoung got to rest while they didn't.

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  35. It wasn't their first concert in Japan -___-
    There's even a pic of Hwayoung performing AKB's song with Qri & Boram in the concert before her leg injury.

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  36. **people, it's not just koreans -___-

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  37. all members of t-ara really have motivations and determinations. I really appreciate it tbh.

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  38. Actually it was said that Hwayoung threw a fit and refused to go and dance.

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  39. and so they thought it was ok to put her down on twitter because she got to rest while she was injured...


    wow that makes everything ok thnx ^^ LOL

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  40. Why would they be happy? Logically, it would signify to them that Hwayoung wasn't willing to put in the same amount of effort and endurance that they had to when they suffered injuries in the past.

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  41. OH yeah, when the girls locked her outside the waiting room crying.


    Let's bring that up, shall we? More reasons why we don't like T-ara!

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  42. you sound a little simple-minded...... I am pointing out that people are complex, that there were high emotions at stake, and it is understandable with the way they expressed their anger and resentment.


    again, I did not say that their actions were right.


    what they wrote on twitter sounded like them venting about the situation. they shouldn't have been so careless. but I don't think the tweets were written for purely malicious reasons.

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  43. Eunjung had to perform with a torn ligament?!?


    How the hell. I was down for a while after tearing a ligament in my foot.

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  44. Please place yourself in their situation first.


    If you can see yourself hypothetically NOT feeling resentment, continue to talk.

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  45. This reminds me when Hyuna went after Kim Kwang Soo and blatantly called him a bad person on national tv for starving Hyomin. More people should be doing that.


    Circumstances put T-ara where they are. They were bred to be so competitive and untrusting of a fellow member by this dickhead who constantly pit them against each other...and that incident on Twitter happened and he did them no favours at all with terrible mis-management.

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  46. also remember when hyomin said his president don't allowed to eat rice, do not feed t-ara member properly food. T-ara member often to skip her meal.

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  47. it was a concert though, concerts are important and fans pay to watch the girls, why Hwayoung couldn't at least go there for the fans? I always see injuried idols going to see and talk with fans and then they go off stage or stay sit on a chair while the others performs...

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  48. They probably will ignore it. Just like how much of the bullying evidence netizens put together was later proven to be fake but netizens still bring it up because they're self-righteous and unforgiving.

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  49. well, if she's not going to perform, there's no reason for her to be taking up space in the dressing room. she'd just be getting in everybody's way

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  50. they are human....they are allowed to feel resentment. You would feel the same way

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  51. To Japan as AV stars? :O

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  52. they put her down? More like they talked about their frustration there. They talked about their determination of performing even at the worst times and etc. Hwayoung then commented there and made everyone think it was because of her. You guys act as if they called Hwayoung names and sweared at her and wrote her name...

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  53. while i never believe tara being angels and nice to each other i do pity them seriously being under kks is being in hell

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  54. Makes me feel like Hangeng was such a wuss after knowing what these girls have to go through.

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  55. What's your point?
    Hwayoung did exactly what other idols did and sat on a chair.

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  56. i need to see what koreans say about this lol

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  57. but she didn't do what /t-ara/ typically does, which is bear through the pain and/or use crutches. she was given special treatment.

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  58. how they will fight KKS? If they do they might get kicked out, with CCM power they might never be on stage again or even act because CMM also has power on acting industry. If they go against him they are blacklisted from industry. And since they have these rumors about them + public don't see them on a good light no one will take them.

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  59. Even if I did, I wouldn't even mention it on twitter, let along gang attack her :/

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  60. KKS, the tyrant of all bullshits. I've never trusted his words. There are more acts he did but wasn't stated in this article. It's better to hear the words from the girls themselves rather than from KKS. Disgusting management kills everyone.

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  61. how did they gang attack her....... were we reading the same tweets? o___o

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  62. Isn't that great though?
    As a fan wouldn't you be glad seeing her perform without having her further hurting herself?

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  63. Wait those tweets were attacking? Since when? Before I read Hwayoung's tweet, I honestly thought they were just tweeting encouraging things to each other...

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  64. of course, as a fan I'm glad she was able to rest. but I also can't blame the other girls for feeling resentful, then. again, it's hard to blame any of the girls when their company and environment are so awful.

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  65. They also forgot to mention Eunjung was thrown off a running horse while filming Queen Insoo (there's BTS video of it, she had to be rushed to the emergency room) and was sent straight back to the set after getting painkillers, and that was just one day before their Cry Cry comeback stage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18AePc4UJg

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  66. she only came for the dbd performance... she didn't participate in the other songs at all and the members had to cover for her at the last minute. so no, she didn't even do the bare minimum that other idols would do

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  67. this rumor from a knetizen that claims it and might be lying like that crazy guy lied about HGI cheating and Suzy being bad. Oh yeah lets believe on it 100%,

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  68. That isn't new. I know all about KKS BS at T-ara. He is the mastermind behind Hwayoung getting kicked out of the group.

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  69. you are not being logical...
    no ones wants someone to have a special treatment when they on the other hand are treated like slaves.

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  70. "This is a conspiracy!"


    By: Park Jaebum.

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  71. I remember the article about how Jiyeon's Dad came to the fanmeet to meet her because he couldn't meet her otherwise and even then he left soon so he wouldn't get in her way and that was utterly heartbreaking.

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  72. No, it was on OBS report from a KBS staff !
    Try harder.

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  73. I think these things specifically point to how things may have "cracked" with Hwayoung. Many of these girls were made to perform despite leg injuries and against medical advisement. That Hwayoung was allowed not to perform on stage might have lead to some resentment at the different treatments. It makes more sense as to why all those "determination" tweets were about... to me at least.


    Of course in the end I am just speculating, I just meant that if I were in their position I could understand how some things could build up from there.

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  74. T-ARA obviously made a huge mistake airing their dirty laundry. But i think a majority of the blame lies in KKS'S hands.

    T-ARA had disagreements with hwa but to say they hated her is ludacris to me. CCM is the one who removed hwa, how could girls bully someone out anyway? As if they have any say in who comes and goes. When hwa was added Eunjung even said are we not good enough?

    CCM is not a family. Not to say they don't like each other but he creates a competitive environment between the girls. Its very sad to me. They have been overworked since debut. Yes, they made a mistake but CCM is responsible for it spiraling out of control.

    I actually became their fan after the scandal. It really humanized them a lot for me I guess. Its very sad that their career will never be able to return to its former glory and CCMs part in that cannot be undermined. T-ARA are unfortunately the only scapegoats for his bullshit. I'm SO happy an article about the piece of what that he is finally came out.

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  75. This is so heartbreaking. KKS is a demonic individual with no soul.

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  76. actually i believe there's a level of bitchiness in these girls but it's because of the environment CCM created. telling them to compete amongst each other or they'll be replaced and all this shit, they are doing some brutal things to live a celebrity life.

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  77. That is great that she wasn't hurt. What wasn't great is that (from this view) she was given special treatment over the other girls. Not only did it create a toxic environment, but it is technically unfair.

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  78. It was obvious that KKS is an absolute dick.

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  79. Actually Hwayoung already for the Music Bank performance in chair, even has a mic in her hand but at last minute she’s not performing and then Eunjung & Hyomin took up her parts, i don't know the

    exactly reason. KKS said she refused to perform but T-ara N4 member (beatles code 2) said KKS not allowed hwayoung to perform in last minutes.

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  80. LMAO at them trolling that fat fuck. It's so sad how shamelessly he media plays. Not even they support it. He's is seriously the worst of the worst, a fucking pure idiot.

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  81. Lee Soo Man was not as terrible. I wish people would stop demonizing him.

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  82. He was just strict.

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  83. They should just quit altogether from that company and build new image..

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  84. They're under contract, and the accusations will follow them for a very, very long time, as we've already seen.

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  85. Honestly I can't blame them when they are working in such conditions.

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  86. Your words remind me of Dream High Season 1

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  87. What else can they do? It's not like they could leave for another agency. CCM aren't one of the big 3 but they have huge media influence.

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  88. I know, so many SM artist love and respect him, Shinhwa has even said that they feel grateful to him.


    He's not even in charge anymore and people STILL blame him for what goes on in SM.

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  89. they forgot to mention that hyomin fainted in the morning but still performed roly poly later in the same day

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  90. Definitely. Speed is a new group, who does not need that kind of treatment. Fivedolls...well they need to get out while they still can.

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  91. thank god k-netizen know what we are talking about it's all kks fault and the girls
    has nothing to do whit all he's bullshit the girls are hard working and
    determined so people will see what they are going throw just for their fan's
    but that bastard really make good music he's management need to improve he's
    still go whit the old tactic which doesn’t work anymore

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  92. they had several concerts in japan. but the issue broke out when t-ara had their budokan concert. budokan concert is a biggest concert for them. besides, they will release a dvd for that concert in budokan. of course t-ara would be mad if a member slacked off

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  93. I am sorry, but I think what Hangeng went through is not the same as what T-ara went through. Both situations are bad regardless.

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  94. Poor T-ara ): If he would've managed the girls better, the scandal wouldn't have happened at all.

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  95. It was fair that she didn't hurt herself.
    it wasn't fair that they hated her for it.

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  96. she performed DBD only. if she can sat on the chair for DBD, i dont see any reason why she didnt perform other songs. she could sit on a chair too for the other songs.


    if she didnt want to perform, she could have wait backstage. instead, she went to a nail salon. if she cant perform in the concert because she is injured, but why she can go to a nail salon?

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  97. Heh no kidding.

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  98. Yeah, that's one way of looking at it but in a situation like this where we'll never know what really happened you have to look at it from every angle.
    And hate's too strong a word, they resented her during that period of time and took it out on twitter, which they probably even think is childish looking back.

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  99. as a fan, i did not want her to injure herself even more. but she could have sit on a chair. we didnt want to her dance like other members.


    let me repeat myself, if she was allowed to sit on a chair for DBD, im sure she is allowed sit on a chair for the rest of the concert if she wants too

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  100. No, soyeon "claimed" she went to the salon while the girls were practicing.
    and DBD is the only song she had a real part in.
    not just "I likey like this. I likey like that"

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  101. I was talking about my favorite rapper, tho. (Jk whoops fixed)

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  102. i think so too. The fact that Hwayoung joined the group way later and kind of rode on 6-Ara's fame always seem unfair to me, everybody says Hwayoung is so talented and 6-Ara were jealous of her, but if she were so good, CCM could debut her in a fresh new group instead of putting her in T-Ara. It's also true that 6-Ara ignored Hwayoung the whole time, but at some point, i could understand them. I agree that bullying is a shitty thing to do, but if i were in 6-Ara's position, i have to admit that it would be hard as hell for me to act all friendly to Hwayoung

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  103. well obviouly they were probably trying to give hints to people what their CEO is doing. It just didn't pick up

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  104. I agree! they shouldn't have been so careless, but their carelessness caused their teammate to lose their job and the girls' reputation and career to plunge.

    Sometimes it only take one word, just look at Hyosung.

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  105. Ikr. They all really hardworking. It so sad, that now, they have to get all the hate. I think I might understand now, that they say Hwayoung is not determine enough in Japan concert. I mean, they had to perfrom, despite any injuries though. I imagine, what would they say about me, I'm bassicaly just lying on bed, watching tv, or browsing the internet. Damn, I would be kick after only few hours with them.

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  106. It would be hard if they quit CCM. Even if there wasn't any bullying controversy going on it would still be hard for them to quit and join another company. I feel like Kwangsoo won't let them go freely. If he can make T-ara happen he can crush them too.

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  107. lmfao i'm laughing at your comments so hard. you're such a hypocrite, it hurts lolololol

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  108. maybe because t-ara was trained before debuting while hwayoung really wasnt trained that much. so of course they're stronger or w/e than hwayoung, i don't think she was able to perform in the kind of situation but they didn't understand.

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  109. hyomin get to eat when she was filming IY1. Kim tae woo also said narsha (who is famous for eating like crazy in IY) is nothing when compared with hyomin.


    soyeon and jiyeon had to sneak out their labelmates' food leftover and ate them in the toilet..

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  110. she could have been just outside crying. its not like they said "she tried opening the door but it was locked"

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  111. It's not as easy as it sounds like. He spewed bs threatening of member change, kicking out member who wont listen, and so on. If they refuse to perform because of their injury who knows the next day they could end up in the street and Kwang Soo releasing article saying he kicked out that member because of her shady past and she acted like a bitch in the group.

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  112. Nah every human is a hyprocite ㅋㅋ You're an angel if you ain't

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  113. They didn't really lash out though that is the thing, they never attacked her directly all they said was "you can do anything with determination"


    I can't really comment about the other stuff.

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  114. remember Jiyeon has been criticized for her stage manners during the group's performance on KBS's “Concert 7080”? actually Kqueen's said 2 hours before performing she is in hospital and have injected but CCM still drag her to performing not allowed her to rest.

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  115. Article: T-ara to comeback on October 27th "Ready to fight, Soshi and WG?"



    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  116. Bullying is definitely not right, however what this shows is that these girls were not without stressors. Of course there is no excuse for bullying, but it shows that they did not just simply "single her out to be bullied."


    As I would look at it, if the bullying thing is true... It was due to the situation created amongst the girls, rather than the girls simply being "trash" as everyone calls them. We all like to pretend that we would be so much better, but they were really having a hard time.

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  117. Hwayoung pulling a diva act at Budokan and MusicBank. She got kickout out of T-ara (^ _ ^). Thank you KKS!

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  118. actually, none of us know what really happened so let's not talk like we do.

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  119. lmfao oh my god
    ok
    keep trying to be smart
    i never said anything about anyone else being hypocrites i was talking about you.
    I'm laughing at your hate comments and what you said about your bias getting better ohmygod lawl. but what else can i expect from someone if their username starts with "oppa" lol

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  120. disqus_b95Ho2cCL1May 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    This makes me feel so sad for them tbh... that fucking asshole of a CEO has just made their lives turn to shit :/

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  121. but she still has parts in their songs. no matter how little her parts are, its still her parts. doesnt mean that she can skip the performance since she only has 1-2 lines in a song.


    does it means that boram and qri can skip their concert too because their lines are more or less the same with hwayoung?


    boram's health has been deteriorating even before the scandal.she doesnt even has a line in crycry except for that solo dance. but its not an excuse for boram to miss their performance.

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  122. This 'oppa' is a mockery Kboos. Oh lol

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  123. this already was clear since a long LONG time

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  124. yup. jiyeon was hospitalised and received IV drip before the performance. jiyeon also almost fainted in 1 of cry cry performance.

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  125. "be smarter" i can't take it seriously if it comes from a person as hypocritical as you.
    lol oh
    ok
    loooool

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  126. Nine Muses don't have the best CEO either.
    Most CEOs (if not all) are trash, but it's the idols job to put a good image in front of their fans, or "customers" in companies' case.
    No company wants their employees to publicly put down the company or employer, it's unprofessional, and the girls should've known to keep quit if they don't want to hurt their careers, or health with CEOs like KKS.

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  127. yup. its heartbreaking that her father had to line up just like any other fans just to see his own daughter for a brief time only T.T

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  128. i find it hilarious how 90% of the t-ara haters aren't even posting.

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  129. i hope they're actually making money because man if not, this is not worth it.

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  130. yeah i know. i saw their documentary. & understand why some of the girls left, the guy's a dickhead.


    i'm sure if they could they would but ccm is a bigger company than nine muses' company. they're under mnet, and kks made pretty much a threat (if you heard about what he said about kara when they were at the point of breaking up)

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  131. Finally an article on NB about T-ara where I can agree with out showing any sign of disappointment.. and seeing the flow of comments of users n here, well, I can glad that they somewhat understood why "Determination" twits are understandable for we, fans even though it was wrong for them to express them on public platform.. Man, after 10 months finally, I was able to see somewhat positive post about T-ara.

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  132. wow..he is really the worst!

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  133. Yeah, how she hasn't been able to go back to her family's house in years because she was always busy. I dislike Jiyeon but OMG that video of her dad showing up in their fansign killed me. He just wanted to see her.

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  134. Wouldn't that more of a reason not piss him off though?

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  135. TBH, it more or less created a cycle.

    KKS releases a statement, T-ARA rejects it/says it isn't true/etc.

    KKS notices their attitude (warranted or not) and threatens to kick them out of the group/ replace them. T-ARA becomes competitive/ruthless within the group and that causes obvious discord that spills out into the public.

    Basically, though I hate saying this, T-ARA is at fault for how it progressed.

    No, KKS should never have said those things if they weren't happening, but all he was focused on doing (at that moment) was getting their names out their with media play.

    But, T-ARA, no matter how honest they were trying to be, should not have passive-agressively rejected the statements the company was making on T-ARA's behalf. It put a negative light (lol) on the company and management. And obviously there was going to be consequences for that "embarrassment"

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  136. Where did you get this fact? If it isn't an official statement then ill have my doubt because pretty much anyone could make a account and say stuff like that.

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  137. It's idol job to take care of their image as long as their CEOs clearly doesn't give a f**k about them? I mean. How can you protect yourself if there's someone that constantly reminds you that you're replacable and that he's going to cut you out if you aren't warking enough? and what is enough for this ceo? starving the girls? overworking them? is a good thing, in your opinion, the fact that they had to perform injuried? honestly I don't think so. I think that allow a person to show on stage injuried, in pain, is like let a lame horse to run in a derby. you're going to lose and worst you're going to lose your credibility. this person has no credibility. this person is just a posh-d**k-head that can't control his own artists cause he's not professional. it's all in the hands of the company, you have to show your artists what is good and what is not, you have to have some credibility in those people eyes and you have to let them respect you. girls clearly haven't no respect for his image. they're just scared that once in a while he could replace them and find a new one. they don't feel special, they don't know what is to be family-like and to be honest, I think sometimes they feel real trash.

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  138. Im happy they know kks isthe Devil but Despite they know all this, some will still flame t-ara and say its all their fault...

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  139. disqus_utAamUDrLPMay 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    And even if they were to quit. I'm pretty sure he has quite a power in the industry. He could prevent them from debuting again.

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  140. You believe that KKS releases false statements, threatens to kick them out, and creates a competitive atmosphere between the members, but that the girls are at fault for how they responded? That KKS should be portrayed as a decent person since all he was trying to do was promote his group? Victim blaming at its finest.

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  141. Seriously, KKS an effed up CEO.

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  142. Joannie BoualiphanhMay 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    This is just wow. seriously? INJURY? what if they damage it even more? do you want their flipping leg cut off before you let them stop/recover?

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  143. There's tension and fighting within every group, not just T-ara. T-ara just had the bad luck to be stuck at a shitty company with an awful CEO who made all of their problems worse.

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  144. i'm their fan after that scandal too :)

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  145. poor t-ara~ although i love their songs,but i agree their management really sucks

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  146. LOL. They were also shocked. Poor girls.

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  147. It's all comes down to making a good image to get more "customers".
    He makes them work because he want the fans to believe that the girls want to push themselves for their fans' sake.
    He's a scary man, they shouldn't have pissed him off, but I guess they're not really the brightest tools in the shed.

    Hwayoung never complained about KKS, and she wasn't one of KKS's biggest "product", that's probably why he didn't care when she injured herself and performed without dancing, and also why he thought nothing will happen if he axed her off.

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  148. wow he treats them like shit

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  149. Besides all of the other responses to this, there's also the overriding societal norms the govern life in Korea. Age is the huge deal there; juniors don't tell their seniors what to do, even if something's wrong. Eight young girls can't do much to fight back against their considerably older CEO who has more connections than they do. Terminating their contracts would either result in a long, drawn out lawsuit (see: SM vs. JYJ), or they would have a to pay a huge amount of money to be released, far more money than they will ever earn as a T-ara member.

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  150. That's not what I said at all. I said that T-ARA is at fault for how it progressed. They had two options when KKS started up those false statements:

    1. Keep quiet and let him do his thing. (Don't bite the hand that feeds, etc, etc.)

    2. EXPOSE HIM and let everyone know, without question, how shitty and manipulative of a person he is.

    T-ARA being passive agressive is what has caused their problems.

    In this situation, their remarks could have easily been overlooked by the average person if someone didn't make the connection. If they had been upfront, I'm 100% willing to bet that it would have caught someone's attention and KKS would be in more trouble than T-ARA is. (More people would be feeling sympathy towards them instead of anger)

    As it played out, they were able to get their comments out against KKS without getting into trouble with the public (then, not now). However, CCM would obviously be keeping an eye on their social media accounts. It's common sense that if an employee isn't promoting the company or product image well, there will be consequences. (Case in point, T-ARA being dropped from endorsements once the "scandal" broke out)

    I do not agree with CCM's practices at all, in no way, shape or form. The company and CEO created a hostile enviroment.

    However, if they really expected making comments against their CEO in a public forum and not getting any repercussions against them from that same company, they're not the wisest. It happens in every day life from the smallest jobs to the most important ones. Especially when the CEO in question, KKS, is already known to ruin careers (see: Nam Gyuri).

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  151. Ccm's environment really shaped them.

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  152. I'm no T-ara fan but I can easily say that most of the hate they receive is better directed towards their CEO and the people who manage them, not the members themselves. We will never know what really goes on behind the scenes but I think it's apparent that their company has created a very poor environment for them to work in....

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  153. Hyo/Ji/Eun can't leave til2015 in the Summer if they choose too while Qri/Soy/Bor can't leave until 2016 if they choose to. Areum..idk when he contract started so idk her expiration date. But ugh CCM was treating these girls like shit since their pre-debut.
    I remember JiEunMin saying that they trained to to poppy songs but KKS gave them a ballad and then a depressing song which caught them by surprised and made two of the original members leave because it wasn't what they were told they were trainig for.

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  154. as abusive as ccm/kks is, i wonder if they could get out of their contracts. if they did that and tried to get hwayoung back in the group, i think most of the netizen hate would disappear.

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  155. itsmehyunbinopparfansMay 17, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    I don't follow them, but i admit i like some songs from them. But don't you think it makes a new point of view about the whole Hwayoung issue?

    Maybe Hwayoung has had it enough then she chose to refuse the all the orders, while the other members who chose to endure because they have chosen this path as an entertainer and it's the consequencies, they want to continue on as T-Ara, so they had argument with Hwayoung and think that she has not enough determination of the road that she chose as entertainer, plus the fact Hwayoung is considered the new member. 'We have so much worse than you yet we still endure it and you are just gonna leave/refuse like that', something like that. The stress, frustration, and tiredness they have maybe are unbearable so that they took wrong step and cornered Hwayoung instead of having a conversation for a good way out. I mean, if i were under those kind of work condition, I would snap a lot, be frustrated and think about myself first.

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  156. Google it.
    The OBS report from industry insiders said that she was, and I quote, "crying outside the group’s waiting room, unable to enter."

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  157. I stilll think it was because of him that T-ara is now T-trash

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  158. itsmehyunbinopparfansMay 17, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    You just said it by yourself, all T-Ara has now is only their management, while the whole country hated them. If they go against CCM, netizens have trust issue, i am not sure they will be accepted again though they reveal the truth. Because netizens have their own court.

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  159. Sad that these aren't all the ways he mistreated them. The force diet (meaning NO food) during the Bo Peep era was bullsh*t. Forcing them to pay out their pocket for a concert refund to all the fans who were there and forcing Eunjung to replace the stolen money. Add in the fact that they have the smallest amount of sleep when active it isn't a joke.

    -__- But not even telling the people you are putting to work what you have them planned to do and they have to wait til its in the news to know. Makes me wonder if N4 even knew they were coming to the US before the article came out because from the pics it looks like they only packed their promotion outfits so it shows they didn't pack themselves.

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  160. It's like Survivor everyday for them. Try to do your best each preformance to keep up your status, fail and your status is lowered and you will be put out less. But main point: anyone can be voted off so trust no one because they could take your spot.

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  161. If he had a heart the scandal would have never happened.

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  162. It must really be their differences in opinion regarding work as towards their "determination." As observed Hwayoung is not the kind of girl that will stay quiet if you do something, she may want to do something. This something might be an end to T-ara too that's why the other members went against it since they worked hard for it even before she came. This just went worst because CCM media played a lot thinking people will hate Hwayoung but it backfired with the remaining members a.k.a The Nation's Bullies. Now even if the remaining members want to clear their selves they won't be able to do it anymore. CCM is a real evil company.

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  163. Those things mentioned aren't even enough. We have:

    1. KKS forced Boram to cut her hair. Boram said it in an interview: "I always had a long hair and tied, the president said, "You got to do something with your hair." So she ended up cutting her hair.
    2. Forced diets to the point that the members have to sneak foods inside their pockets and eat inside the bathroom.
    3. KKS media play that Jiyeon is the "Little Kim Taehee."
    4. Media play on Five Fingers making Eunjung's image as someone highly, etc.
    5. Rotation of leaders and responsibilities the members only learned through reading the articles.
    6. Unnecessary member additions making a whole scene of Battle Royal inside the group.
    7. Soyeon's forced diet every comeback. She starve her self and only drinks water.



    And a lot of things that they may not even mentioned before.

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  164. I've been following them long enough and these are all so obvious. That's why I hated it the most when they got treated badly from netizens who only rely on rumors and ignoring all proofs that make sense out there. They had it enough with KKS and then got shitted on what happened during their bullying scandal was the worst they could ever wish for. I'm not even a big fan, but god, the hate they got are all ridiculous. CCM/KKS really is a one big fucked up company. If you watched most of their shows, you'll know how bad the girls were treated and the fierce competition in the group. The idea of replacing whoever that didn't do well is ridiculous. It's bad enough to add someone who just ride on their fame and then makes them compete to survive in their own group (what more outside), that just ask for the worst outcome.

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  165. about change leader, i remember Jiyeon said in variety show T-ara members doesn't know hyomin become leader until they found the article about changing leaders while they were in japan and when hyomin confirm that news via phone, KKS just saying yes, now you became new leader.

    i found it's so ridiculous.

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  166. in which people refused to believe all because they want to be in to the new trend of "T-ara are bullies, let's bully them."

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  167. Maybe not a diva act. She might want to do something that deviate and will threaten the group like disbandment, etc. KKS saw this coming so she got rid of her.

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  168. He's really evil. Remember the Hello Baby days? LOL he said, "Since you're 7 you take care of 3 children." Odd. Soshi went there as 9 but they only got 1 kid. He seriously want to make T-ara appear as something even if it's against their body.

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  169. Obviously their opinions aren't being respected so they are "crying help from their fans" by informing them through SNS, if he listened to them why would they complain publicly? And seeing how many of these public outing are participated almost all the members of the group it's quite apparent that all of them are equally fed up of KKS's useless CEO skills

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  170. I understand their sentiments though. Working as if you're dying then suddenly you'll be added with someone. Eunjung is the former leader and rapper so she might redirect that statement to her feelings too. Her statement "Are we not good enough?" sounds right too. I mean why do you have to look for something else if you got enough already. Considering KKS milk a lot of money from them already. IGCBY hitted #1 way back too so that means, they can do it without Hwayoung. And even if Hwaoung, Ahreum or other members would be there, they aren't seen as a vital part. Unlike now, T-ara N4 is promoting but people still say that they miss the other 3.

    KKS is not good not to see that part. IDK what he's up to. Anyways, what the members went through is really something. I thought they would disband already (like what happened to National Treasure at The Greatest Love LOL). Some may see them as thick skinned, etc. but I actually admire their strength. You're right that they became more human in the people's eyes.

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  171. I understand what he/she said, if Suzy or Lee Hi complained about JYP and YG's media play, even those CEOs will be upset let alone KKS.
    From their perspectives, the girls are dissing their employer as well as disrupting management and business.

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  172. They forgot to add that Jiyeon injured her nose but still pushed her through a concert at Japan. That's why she's wearing a mask at the airport.

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  173. You really do not understand the situation. I can now imagine the K-netizens comments from this article.

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  174. I think not bullying because they never hit her nor curse her. But then I realized that's better than be hypocrites in front of her

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  175. As a long time T-ara fan almost 3 and a half years all these almost all of the evidence presented here are a well known knowledge . When the "Bullying Incident" came out I immediately blamed all of this is Kwang Soo, I've said to countless T-ara articles that was coming out during that time that it's their CEO's fault but people were too busy wanting to see T-ara bleed and get destroyed even when those .gifs files or others call "evidence" of the bullying disproved. KKS wanted to build a very competitive environment so it was no shock that there will be discord in the group but the thing I don't get the most in this incident is why are people blaming T-ara when it was the CEO's decision to remove Hwayoung and this article just proves how he disregards T-ara's opinion so I really doubt that T-ara pushed him on removing Hwayoung. And also as an AKP avid reader last year has everyone forgot about the article which they released early December 2011 and April 2012 saying that "The CEO is planning on member changes on T-ara" of course everyone got so angry and it turns out this was untrue BUT instead will be adding new members but he will remove members that were getting lazy. quoted from this allkpop article: http://www.allkpop.com/2012/04/op-ed-is-t-aras-member-change-a-way-for-kim-kwang-soo-to-punish-t-ara

    """""In July, T-ara will release and promote a new album with
    new members. They’ll change how they are, to fit the 9 of them together…
    A lot of fans are worried and concerned for the changes happening to
    T-ara, but our management knows very well what can happen if the changes
    aren’t made. T-ara will be in a situation where there will be very
    intense competition, and we don’t want to think that they’ll not be able
    to grow. T-ara went through a lot of hard practice to debut as idols.
    They need to continue to constantly work harder and take on new
    challenges.”"""""

    also

    """""“If the members are lazy, or harmful to other members including the new
    members, we’ll make the bold decision to remove and replace them with
    new members.”"""""

    Oh and lastly about the article they should have also included the video where Hyomin was in Invincible Youth and she said that they were being starved by Kwang Soo and as for people who didn't watch SBS Heroes Jiyeon also acted like she wasn't being fed properly in that show, it's hard to explain but when you watch you'll see what I mean... I hope

    Sorry for the long rant but I really do believe that T-ara and Hwayoung may had the fight and both of them are at fault but the one who people should really be directing their hate is neither T-ara nor Hwayoung but that scumbag Kim Kwang Soo

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  176. First, lets just have a calm conversation okay? (not saying you're not calm just saying we both should keep our cool if one of us doesn't agree with the other.)

    Well i read the new here
    http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/11733/20120731/witnesses-state-hwayoung-was-crying-outside-the-waiting-room-before-the-performance.htm

    It said she was locked out, but it didnt say "who" locked her out. So i think it's not perfectly safe to assume T-ara did it. But i'm guessing people are referring to the tweets made, which it seems on the bc2 with n4, they calmed to have tweeted it before that happened(correct me if I am wrong) saying that they already made up but the stuff which has appeared online(if i remembered correctly again got Hwa fired up thus *i assume* she started to protest against doing what she was asked to.

    I think i'm partly right there.

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  177. No one even confirmed that. If they're really hardcore bitches, how the hell will they do that if there are a lot of people who can see that? Talk about image huh.

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  178. the fact that she went to a salon somehow bugs me

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  179. how were they allowed to talk so openly online?

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  180. Hwayoung's tweets plus her twin's tweets are more attacking than the determination stuff. tbqh

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  181. Actually the media play and all other unnecessary people who joined the bullying bandwagon made Hwyaougn lose her job and peak of the group's career -.-

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  182. Well there's nothing you can't do when it's about your dream

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  183. The real bully here is Kim Kwangsoo. He overworked the other T-ara members whilst giving Hwayoung a bit of special treatment which is probably where all the determination tweets came from. Don't blame T-ara, blame KKS for all this crap.

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  184. I didn't get it. LOL O_o (slowpoke)

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  185. I just feel pity for the girls. They're such hard workers, questionable pasts or not, and I don't feel like they deserve this craziness Kim Kwangsoo is unleashing on them. Most of the K fans hate their guts, even their company is giving them shit. I sorta wish this would all blow over, but knowing netizens, they'd be diggin' up this shit until T-ara are ahjummas. Himnae, T-ara!

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  186. kpopwillneverstopMay 17, 2013 at 2:35 AM

    Lol Puh-lease. If he wasn't gonna let Eunjung rest with an injury, what makes you think he would let Hwayoung rest with her injury? There ain't no telling what went down between Hwayoung and them. For all I can speculate on is maybe she for once stood up for herself and let them know that she wasn't gonna sit there and perform with an injury that can potentially get worser and as a result, brought conflict to the group since some of them had to perform with an injury and felt that if they had to brave it out, so should Hwayoung.


    They had a chance to speak out and get away just like Hwayoung, but they didn't (and don't try to say that they couldn't because if they can send out tweets against the CEO such as "Hul...I've been waiting since 5", "I never said I hated it though...", and the infamous determination speech, then they could've got away from KKS).

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  187. I really remember that performance, when they perfrom in -20 celcius, they hugging themselves and their nose look red. even their backdancer have more warmer outfit than them and they still smiling, it so heartbreaking performance
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qPLXhOOeoA

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  188. Also T-ara might be thinking that because Hwayoung joined when they were starting to become popular that she was already riding on their hard earned fame while also "slacking" in their eyes... this situation is truly sad,,.

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  189. I remember in Star Life Theatre where Eunjung was saying that they originally were against the idea of a new member (way before they knew it was Hwayoung) because the addition of a new member meant that they 'did not work hard enough' according to the company. So essentially, the addition of Hwayoung was KKS's idea of punishment towards the girls. So I'd understand if they weren't welcoming to Hwayoung at first. And Hwayoung probably wasn't too happy with the arrangement as she might havewanted to be with her sister.

    Anyway, doesn't anyone find it cute that all of T-Ara including Hwayoung went up against him like that? 'Our MV oh my god'. LOL! But seriously, where did they post it? Or was it out on SNS publicly like that? Didn't anyone take notice previously? Oh, and the fact that T-Ara only found out about several things they had to do through the news shows how KKS can no longer control the girls, so he had to resort to news articles to make them do stuffs, since they are obliged to do them as it was 'promised' in the name of T-Ara. :-S Who'd work well in this kind of company culture? I really respect these girls for holding out so long. So it really was 'determination', wasn't it?

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  190. if u dig up hwayoung twitter account, hwayoung even uploaded her pic when she is in the salon, she uploaded her photo on 28th july in early morning, so the photo likely to be taken before 28th july while the controversy started on 25/26 july and t-ara back to korea on 27th july . the photo possibility taken in japan.

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  191. KKS has connections. He is the reason why T-Ara can still be on national TV and still has so many gigs and connections. And KKS absolutely despise groups who 'betray' the compamy and leave. Look at NEWSEN's harsh treatment of KARA because of their past contract controversy. If T-Ara left, they'd be treated much much worse. Methinks KKS also have leverage on them to prevent themfom leaving. :/ So essentially, T-Ara is stuck with CCM. :/

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  192. But perhaps it is through these ways that they are able to get their voices heard? I don't think KKS/CCM ever listened to the girls or allowed them to give input. When KKS decided on something, he'd put it out on news articles without informing the girls. So the only way for them to be heard is to complain on SNS like this. I don't think they'd be another way for their voices to be heard other than that. CCM controls the media and obviously anything form of complaint would also be censored/editted away.

    It is different from say, JYP, in which he seems to allow them to freely say what they want about him. Like how WG complained on broadcast that there's always the JYP whisper in their songs. The next time JYP is interviewed, he told everyone that the whisper is now gone from WG's future releases. This obviously does not exist in CCM and all the girls are subject to KKS's whims. So do you really fault them for voicing out in the forums? The twitter controversy was folly on their part, but I think everything they've done so far was out of self-preservation.

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